Bob wants James to reveal that which is secret... the history of abuse that he won't ever talk about.

"Trooper doesn't want to face it at all, sir, even if somebody does want to talk about it, trooper doesn't want to think about it."

"I understand, Trooper, but you've got to understand that's why you're paying the price."

Many long hours are spent discussing many things, from the shackling of kids to witnessing domestic violence.

After many long hours, James discloses that he was abused at the age of four. He has been abused emotionally, spiritually and sexually.

James: "Trooper's dad's cousin. Four years old. Trooper doesn't want to talk about it."